HAHAHAHA... MENTAL DIVERGENCE, MY MUSE!
I had to put it in personal relationships because there is no Religion Category
Published on January 9, 2004 By TARSIER In Personal Relationships
First off, I feel the obligation to tell you I am not talking about a Christian rock group, or the band Nirvana at all (although Nirvana is a very cool band), I am talking about a state of being that is the ultimate goal of two major religions. If you still have no tangible idea ofwhat Nirvana is, I will post a definition graciously given to me by a close friend, Dictionary.com:

1. often Nirvana
a. Buddhism. The ineffable ultimate in which one has attained disinterested wisdom and compassion.
b. Hinduism. Emancipation from ignorance and the extinction of all attachment.

Now on the serious side of this.

The ultimate goal for Christians is to enter into a state of heaven. Heaven is a place of purity and the destruction of sin and death. Now, looking at the above definitions, it looks that the definition of Nirvana and what I think Heaven is are quite the same. Once or twice I think I have felt a touch of Nirvana. While I lay down to sleep one night, I started my nightly prayers. Yet this time, it wasn't so much of a routine thing. I felt different. Thinking about my faith in it's utter state of penury, I began to examine my life. I began to think about the purest and most beautiful thing I could think of. Heaven. And then, just like a huge wave, I reached the crest and thought about what Nirvana really was. It was absolutely amazing. I started crying, not in shame, pain, or humiliation, but in utter joy. Other times I have felt a lot like this, usually in the middle of Mass, or when I am running or doing some sport, I release my mind. It usually does not happen by myself willing it to happen, but when I least expect it. In Cross Country, I ran at the state meet this fall. While running, I was so tired, so beat, so concentrated, that I fell into a groove. A groove that made me feel invincible. I felt able to tear car doors off with my bare hands, or run to the top of Mount Everest. I get the same feeling when listening to a very powerful song. Could it be? Let me say this, I am not the best person by any means. I stumble more often than I wish to remember. How merciful and kind is a God that sends a bolt of light to penetrate my mind's malicious darkness?

Being a rock fan through and through, I really like to listen to Stairway to Heaven by Zeppelin.
Look at the lyrics from the song.

"There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who standing looking.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

And it's whispered that soon if we all call the tune
Then the piper will lead us to reason.
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long
And the forests will echo with laughter.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,
It's just a spring clean for the May queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on.
And it makes me wonder.

Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know,
The piper's calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.

And she's buying a stairway to heaven."

To me, this is almost divine inpiration. Not that I know what the words were meant to mean, but sentences like
"There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who standing looking.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder. "

I really start to wonder. I think that the West is where the sun sets, symbolizing the end of our lives. "Crying for leaving" may mean the wait to enter into heaven. Then the "Ooh, it makes me wonder" part could be about the examination of the human spirit and soul, making us all wonder.

Another very interesting part is this:
"And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last. "

I think this is what this part means: As we go on in our lives, and we are on the edge of death (Whenever the sun is the lowest the shadows become the greatest because of the angle, and so shadows being as tall as our soul means the sun has almost set, and on the brink of death), Mary the Mother of God paves the path to Heaven and showing the near dead that all is to be fulfilled, and their life has been a work of glittering gold. THe part of "if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last" is where the state of Nirvana, or the tune in this song, has finally come. Also, the piper in my opinion stands for God.

Is there a Nirvana at the end of the path of life? I do not know. I sure hope so. Really think for one last moment, what would you give to be free of all pain, to be totally compassionate to everything, to be totally focused on the most brilliant Light to ever exist, to be dazzled by your God without any doubts or fears, and to have unlimited wisdom? I would give everything.

I hope this serves as an inspiration to some. Please post comments, and some tips or questions.

QED -or- Qued es Demonstrando In Latin, Meaning the end of the Demonstration. Used by my Genius geometry teacher.
Comments
on Jan 09, 2004
That was beautiful Jay. Keep it up.

~Dan
on Feb 23, 2004
QED = quod erat demostrandum
on Apr 05, 2004
Does anyone feel the same way I do sometimes, or am I just a freak lol?
on Apr 05, 2004
No you aren't a freak. Life can be difficult and we all would like to escape it and go to a better place.
on Apr 05, 2004
You are definitely not a freak. I'm glad u explained the meaning of your title in the beginning, I was wondering whether it was about the band or religious enlightenment.

I think the concept of nirvana is very cool.

I'm actually listening to Stairway To Heaven as I type... I agree with your theory of the whole piper, calling you to heaven, whatnot. Or perhaps enlightenment.... I'm not sure if you know what the May queen is, but if you don't I advise you to look it up, because it's rather pagan. But cool.

I'm a christian, myself. But sometimes I wonder.

~Anne
on Apr 05, 2004
Thanks for posting
on Mar 11, 2005

Well Joe, I see your seeking and that is diffently a good thing, and it appears that you have not departed from sound reason as some have unfortunately. So if you would be so kind to hear what I have to say, perhaps this will make some wonderful sense to you. Joe, after all is said and done. There are only two things which matter in this life.
The first is love, and the second is like the first which is called truth. For example: If you have no truth in your life, your life would be filled with lies and deceptions, which of course would be cruel to you, for you wouldn't know what is, and what is not. You would have no way to reason anything out in your life if everything was a lie. What ever you believed would be untrue. Pretty bad huh, kinda like a very bad dream a nightmare in fact. But you know what joe, if you didn't have any love in your life, you wouldn't even care. Consequently: without love, what would your life be worth. NO sense of joy, happiness, exhilaration over the things in your life, no anticipation of better things, no care for much at all. You can see this a lot in people who suffer from clinical depression. They have no care for life hardly anymore. There just hanging on, and this is a terrible thing for any human being to go through, I know because I was once there myself. Now let me ask you this joe. What would be the greatest act of love that anyone could perform in this world? What would be yours if you decided on one? Would it be the giving away of your car to a friend, maybe a brand new guitar given to someone who really wanted to play but didn't have the money to buy one. Maybe, giving away that brand new 60 inch tv that you just bought. Whatever the case maybe, these would all be generous acts and it would take some amount of love from you, for that other person to give away whatever item you chose. But I guess the real test of your degree of love would be. Could you lay your life down for someone else? Could you give your life in exchange for another. This is not far fetched it happenes in war all the time. Friends in the military, good buddies, have laid down their life to protect their friends on numerous occassions and history is full of stories like these, and we honor these men as heros, and rightly so. But I haven't heard of to many stories if any about anyone laying down their life for their enemy. Simply because we recoil at such a thought. So you know joe, if you could do that I would say your one great guy to demonstrate so much love that you even where willing to give up your life for your enemy in hopes that he or she would see that war, is not the answer for the result is always death in most cases. Such a shame that things should be this way huh? But unfortunately, this is the case. So giving up your life for your enemy would be awesome wouldn't it but chances of you doing it are slim, nill or none. Now I will go you one even better. How many people you know or even heard about who have given up their childs life for their enemy. The answer is none, nill, zilch and understandably so. Where just human joe, and we love our children with everything we got. But lets just say for a moment that you loved everyone so much that you looked at everyone as your children in other words joe, you are now God, you created all these people out of love and they are your children. But a evil warlord stole them from you one day by making them his through lies, deception, treachery and every evil thing you could imagine. What would you give to get them all back joe? lies are powerful tools placed in the wrong hands. They deceive. You know what joe. Lies are so deadly, that if you and I where in a war right now you would be dead the moment I deceived you. As long as you knew where I was at in this war between you and me. You might have a chance and I might have a chance provided we know the truth about the situation. But the moment either one of us is deceived one of us is dead. Thats true isnt it joe? Now back to the story so this evil warlord stole your children away from you and the only way to get them back is through truth. You fight lies with truth joe and lies have no power anymore once truth shows up. For the whole purpose of truth is to destroy a lie isn't of course it is and you know that. Alright so what would you give or do to get your children back home. Send out all your remaining troops and make war risking the death of your children that have been stolen. Not likely, if you where wise you would send the best you have and the best that you would have is love and truth. Now joe JESUS CHRIST said he was the truth, now either he is or he isn't and you will have to make up your own mind. Either there are lies in this world and hate or their isnt, just as either there is love and truth in this world or this isn't. You decide joe. But I will leave you with this. If you where God and you gave your only son, the son of truth to win back your children to you, and the rest of the people mocked you, laughed at you, and said it wasnt true, that there are many ways back to God the Father to say the least I am sure you would be somewhat upset with these children of yours that mocked your love when you gave your son for them. Im sure to say the least you would plead with them to come home for the time is coming that you must destroy the evil warlord, the father of lies, satan the adversary of God as the christians call him. But is it true joe? Is it really true that God the father loves you so much that He gave His only Son in your place just to bring you back home to him? Well I believe it is and I know it is, because I would be willing to give up my own life if I could bring everybody back to God our Father wouldn't you joe? I think you would. One life for billions, small price for you or I to pay. But then you and I aren't perfect, where not everything we should be. We are made in the image of God the Father, and yet we have failed. Why because we are not the truth itself. All we can do is hear the truth when it comes our way and then receive it. I marvel joe at the world and its religions. Not one religion in the world or any of their false Gods declare that they did die for me or will, except christianity, and if I a mere human being would give up my life for my child or children, rest assure I will not worship or believe in any God who won't even do what I am willing to do. You wouldn't give up your child joe and I wouldn't give up mine. But God did proving that he is greater in love and truth then either one of us will ever be. Now thats God. Say what you will, but I know the capacity of mans love is great for he has given up his life for others. But none of us at least today in what we call a civilized society would ever sacrafice our child for anything, thats why it was done when it was done. So joe if you want true nirvana there only one who can give it to you. Jesus Christ the son of the living and true God who died to bring you back home. but is your call Joe. You can believe the lies or you can come to the truth. God won't make you believe the truth. Either you love it or you don't. And if you really want to know if I am telling you the truth then just ask God to show you if Jesus is the only truth. If your sincere joe, He will, I guarantee it. Love and truth wont fail you if you really want them. Just ask Jesus into your life, ask him to show you the truth and He will. Your life won't be the same joe. God bless may you come to the knowledge of the truth, this is my prayer for you and your family.
on Mar 11, 2005
Tarsier, I too believe that Nirvana and Heaven are one and the same. Both are centred around serene and joyful experiences of the spirit. Some people say that we shouldn’t wish for a hereafter because we should cherish the here and now on earth. But I think both views are right. We can cherish the here and now whilst on earth, and we can also look forward to an eternity in Heaven.

I believe that the difference between our experience in Heaven and on earth is that in the hereafter, we are more at one with Spirit - our natural state – and we have a better perspective of Ultimate Reality. Nirvana is the experience of attaining complete oneness with divine Spirit, which is all joy, truth and love. It is certainly within the human potential to experience Nirvana on earth, but in my opinion it’s more a question of spiritual growth. Jesus said, “The kingdom of God is within you”, and many of his parables refer to planting seeds and blossoming vines etc. Buddhism is very much centred around the experience “within” and many Buddhist sutras include analogies of seeds growing, and flowers blossoming etc. Like you, I believe that Nirvana is consonant with Buddhism and Christianity. (Nirvana is our experience of Christ.)

Once or twice I think I have felt a touch of Nirvana. … just like a huge wave, I reached the crest and thought about what Nirvana really was. It was absolutely amazing. I started crying, not in shame, pain, or humiliation, but in utter joy. Other times I have felt a lot like this, usually in the middle of Mass, or when I am running or doing some sport, I release my mind. It usually does not happen by myself willing it to happen, but when I least expect it


It sounds to me like you’re a very mature spirit, who has reached a blossoming stage of some sort. There are few people who can have such deep spiritual experiences in the midst of such ordinary situations. For anyone, it takes great strength of spirit to experience serenity and joy in this crap-hole called earth, and strength of spirit is exactly what we’re down here to build. The challenges don’t exist in Heaven, and we're deliberately here on earth to experience shit. Only after persevering dark experiences are our spirits able to soar. Nirvana is when the spirit soars, which will one day last forever.
on Mar 12, 2005
(Nirvana is our experience of Christ.)


I should have said, "from my point of view Nirvana is our experience of Christ". I don't want to get too dogmatic here.

If you have no truth in your life, your life would be filled with lies and deceptions, which of course would be cruel to you, for you wouldn't know what is, and what is not. You would have no way to reason anything out in your life if everything was a lie. What ever you believed would be untrue


Mark T, that's profound. As life (and the cosmos) actually exists, there must be "truth" in it, otherwise there would be nothing at all. By definition, truth, as an Infinite Whole, must be reliable, wholesome, and reason-able. (Otherwise there would be nothing at all). To me, this implies that reason and integrity are inherent to the Truth. Our intellectual endeavours, like science, combined with our spiritual endeavours, like religion, are mankind's attempts to work out, unravel, and understand "The Truth" in an integral manner. (The fact that even our greatest scientists believe that we can do so speaks volumes). I believe that the Truth is Good News.